Products were kept in the forefront while remaining in New York during 1985, but once moved to Canada in 1986 plastic gave way to wood, and commercial object-making soon made way for construction projects. These are transitional objects made during that period of flux. A resistance to the popularity of painting and expression informed much of that work, with a use of domestic products as a replacement to paint and brushes, and with the dripping of ink and dyes onto towels and wipes. Optics also came into the vision as a reference to the lens.

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4 x 4 x 4 (Big Red Certs Encounter)

Mounted on the front surface are photos of Beechnut fruit-striped gum which are sliced into stripes, and on the rear base are photos of Certs. Cibachrome photographs, layered plexiglas, hardware 12" x 12" x 24 inches 30.5cm x 30.5cm x 61cm Produced in 1985 Collection: Chase Manhattan Bank